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America's Frugal Sportsman - Best or Good - Part Two
Posted On: 07/07/2008 23:22:15

 

Hey y’all.

 

Last time I spoke about “good” hunting rifles that hunters on a budget should consider. I appreciate the response I received. It seems there is no shortage of folks who cannot spend $900 – 1200 on a hunting rifle. The problem has been getting reliable comparisons and information on weapons in the working person’s spendable range. I did hear from a couple folks that thought I was off base and that quality firearms are not expensive because they hold their value, are built better, last longer blah, blah, blah. Of course they are built better…but the point is that if you cannot afford to buy one without taking food off your families’ table, you are not going to buy one of the those high dollar pieces.

 

Don’t misunderstand me. If you can afford a custom rifle, fine, go for it. This article is not about you. My CamoSpace friend, Bob Hart, builds some sweet custom rifles that shoot incredibly well. But you are not going to get one for $400-500. The situation is that a working class family has a need to purchase a rifle for Dad or a son or daughter just starting out. I gave some excellent alternatives for them last time. Today, I am going even further down the firearm evolution scale and talk about what can be bought to hunt deer with for LESS than $200. I swear I just heard someone say they would not be caught dead with a deer rifle that costs less than $200. For the record there are some excellent deer/pronghorn/elk class rifles available in that range. I see them every day. I am talking about good, well made bolt action rifles. The guns I am referring to saw their reputations built over two world wars, in dreadful conditions and in many corners of the world.

 

Ahhh, he’s talking about those dadgum military rifles….

 

YES, by George, I am. When you have made a science out of hunting and fishing on a budget (for nearly fifty years), you leave no stone unturned. All it takes is a little research. One of those military actions is the most copied action ever made, the Model 98 Mauser. Keep in mind, saying 98 Mauser is like saying Chevrolet. It doesn’t really narrow down what we are referring to, but is a starting point. Variations and a few predecessors of the 98 are available today for less than $200, if you shop around. The calibers will vary from 7X57, 8X57, 7.65 Argentine, 6.5 X55 Swedish, 7.5  Swiss, 308 Winchester and 30-06. Any of these calibers are commercially available and very lethal. If you pick up one of these weapons in full military dress, you will probably remove some of the excess wood to lighten the rifle. The sights that come on these weapons are adjustable out to over 1000 yards and are very accurate and serviceable. A couple of my favorites are the Model 95 Chilean Mauser (produced by Lowe in Berlin) in a 7X57 carbine and the K31 Swiss in 7.5 mm. The Swiss has the original straight pull bolt, now used commercially by Mauser and Blaser (pronounced like Mauser). It is fast, fool proof and utilized on an extremely accurate firearm. The caliber is fine for deer and deer-sized game out to 300 yards, for the average hunter. The little 7X57 carbine is a joy to carry and 300 yards is a piece of cake. Eleanor O’Connor, wife of legendary outdoor writer Jack O’Connor, used a 7x57 to take virtually all major game animals around the world, including an elephant. This is not to say that a 7X57 is that powerful, on the contrary. It is a testament that its excellent power can be used to its maximum because of its mild recoil and barrel jump. You may remember that Jack, the consummate champion of the 270, equaled his wife’s feat (except for the elephant) with his Winchester 270.

 

Another favorite in this category is the 7.65 Argentine. Most often it is found in the Model 1891. Well made, very accurate but like the Mosin-Nagant K-31 Swiss, the 1891 has a fixed box magazine that extends down to near the base of the trigger guard. It doesn’t  affect function; it merely uglies the weapon up a bit. If you can locate a decent Model 1909 Argentine, it offers a truncated magazine (how about that fancy word – truncated - just means flush to the rifle stock). This is a boon if you want to put an after market stock on and dress it up a bit. These rifles are mostly German built, but there were some external contracts given to produce the rifle. The Argentine and Peruvian versions are considered by most military enthusiasts to be the preferred Argentines. If you can grab a good Model 1891 that has not been altered, you can have it sent direct to your house (California and New York residents check your state laws). It does not come under the 1968 Gun Control act as it was made prior to 1898 and is not considered made for modern ammo. The caliber fits the bill on deer and with some handloading and tweaking can be serviceable on elk out to 300-350 yards. The variable with the 7.65 and the other military calibers is if a bullet is produced that is designed for thicker skinned animals like the elk.  At this writing I could make an elk rifle out of any of the above calibers.

 

Next on the list is the 303 British. It is most often found in the Lee Enfield SMLE version. The caliber is a bit below 308 in power; however Hornady offers a light magnum 303 British that puts it solidly in the factory 308 range.  This is a good deer load but the 139 grain bullet is lacking muscle for elk, etc. Factory loaded 174 grain loads out to 200 yards (basically muzzle loader range) will dispatch an elk. The weapons are very well made and are still available inexpensively. Again, it may come with a beat up military wood stock, but you can dress that stock up easily. A difference from the Mausers, I believe that the Enfield’s cock-on-close cannot be altered to the cock-on-open.  But I do not find that a problem.

 

My ultimate favorite in the military class is usually the cheapest to purchase and most unknown. However, lately it has become very collectable, in certain versions. The caliber is 7.62X54R, or as I call it….the 308 Russian. The rifle is the Mosin-Nagant bolt rifle co-developed by a Belgian and a Russian. These are extremely well made and very dependable. Every one that I have fired has been very accurate. The round falls between 308 and 30-06 in power. The most common models are the model 91/30 and model 44.

The 91/30 is a full length rifle with a 29 inch barrel. The model 44 is the Russian version, with folding bayonet affixed to the muzzle. Either can be bought for under $100 and require very little to be huntable. However, the bayonet on the 44 is troublesome, at best, to neatly remove. The model 38 Finnish does not have the bayonet and makes for less work. All the variants of the 44 are carbines with 16 inch barrels.

 

They will flat shoot at 300 yards with the military ramp iron sights that come on them. I did this with five consequtive rounds from a Model 44 at the city range in Las Cruces, NM. I simply slid the well-marked sight ramp up to the number “3”  (300 yards), laid the front sight blade in the slotted rear sight and carefully squeezed. All five rounds hit the silhouette target (a ram) behind the shoulder. These guns are starting to be discovered, however. In a few years the Russians will get their due on building quality weapons in the WWII era, as they have for the ones they now produce.

 

One thing that all of these weapons have in common and can be a stumbling block is the triggers. They all employ a two-stage works-regardless-of-how-much-mud-is-in-it trigger. These triggers can be annoyingly stiff with a long trigger pull. The problem is very easily correct on most of them by a 6/48 screw. If you get one or have one and needs help on the trigger, contact me and I will be glad to help. There are after market triggers available, but you know how much I hate to spend money.

 

Should you want to use a scope, all of these weapons have scope mounts readily available, although the rifle will have to be drilled and tapped. Virtually anyone can afford one of these pieces. They may not be pretty, but they sure beat not hunting. I would have no reservations taking any of these models hunting for any game animals in North America, except perhaps the biggest bears. Lets face it, if your pick up looks like it escaped from the junk yard and people hand you money when you stand beside it at Winn Dixie…you really don’t  mind that your deer rifle won’t win any beauty contests. All you know is that it cost very little and killed the buck in the back of that prize pickup. That’s being a Frugal sportsman.  An, hey, if you already have one or seven of these rifles, let me know about yours.

 

 

 

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07/09/2008 10:42:04


Teacher3 wrote:
It is a shame that you are not closer!  I think that I would love to get one of these weapons.  In Indiana, we can't deer hunt with a high powered rifle.  We can take varmints and we can target shoot with them.  I can also always use one when I go out of state.  I have hunted just across the river in KY and high powered rifles are used there.
I need you to go with me and get me one of these old girls!  I have always wanted a 30-06!
Good job and keep the information coming!

It is not uncommon to find a 98 Mauser that has been converted to 30-06. If I find a deal one one, I will let you know,



07/09/2008 10:39:52
It is a shame that you are not closer!  I think that I would love to get one of these weapons.  In Indiana, we can't deer hunt with a high powered rifle.  We can take varmints and we can target shoot with them.  I can also always use one when I go out of state.  I have hunted just across the river in KY and high powered rifles are used there.
I need you to go with me and get me one of these old girls!  I have always wanted a 30-06!
Good job and keep the information coming!


07/09/2008 10:30:22

I agree.  It doesn't take a $1,000 rifle to take down medium to big sized game.  I've got a Chinese made SKS with the bayonet still on it that I've killed many deer with.  I've also got an Austria made 8mm that was converted to a .308.  It was made in 1918.  I traded a cheap Wal-mart Mossberg 500 shotgun I had for it.  Knock down power galore!!  If I can see it I can kill it and it's 90 years old.  I've been fortunate enough with my eyesight that I haven't had the need to have them fitted with optics yet but I'm sure that day is coming.  Great article and topic!!!  Keep 'em coming.



07/09/2008 10:14:33


mainehunters wrote:
I love the .308 caliber for my hunting needs. I have a Savage model 99C I use 99% of my trips in the woods, although I own a model 88 Winchester which performs equally as well for a lever action rifle. Maybe someone can shed some light on this.. I also own the dreaded Winchester Sister gun, the Model 100 semi-auto, that has been worked and re-worked by my gunsmith, yet it still jams. It seems to not pull the expired round out on the second round, jamming the third round into the breech. It always grabs round number one after it is fired and auto-loads round two, but when that shell tries to be ejected, it fails to grab it and throw it out of the gun?! 

I love the Model 100's feel, very much like the 99C Savage and the Winchester 88, just shooter preferrence. Because my model 100 has always been so undependable, it sits alone in the gun case year after year collecting dust! I have grown to like the lever action for my hunting rifle and probably would never enter the field with the semi-auto even if it worked flawlessly!  I just can't break up the Model 88 and 100 set I own in my gun safe!



Great srticle as always..

Steve

I found a pre 64 Model 100 in 308. It is in Tyler's gun collection. We have had no jamming issues, but the previous long-time owner never had the Series 3 firing pin installed. The 100 was noted for breaking firing pins. Yep...Tyler's firing pin broke. It took me a while to find one. Parts for the 100 are drying up, according to Numrich Arms. Fortunately they got one in and now I need to go get it installed. That won't be his primary deer rifle, but it hangs so well and shoots real well that it is worth having. 



07/09/2008 10:07:23
I love the .308 caliber for my hunting needs. I have a Savage model 99C I use 99% of my trips in the woods, although I own a model 88 Winchester which performs equally as well for a lever action rifle. Maybe someone can shed some light on this.. I also own the dreaded Winchester Sister gun, the Model 100 semi-auto, that has been worked and re-worked by my gunsmith, yet it still jams. It seems to not pull the expired round out on the second round, jamming the third round into the breech. It always grabs round number one after it is fired and auto-loads round two, but when that shell tries to be ejected, it fails to grab it and throw it out of the gun?! 

I love the Model 100's feel, very much like the 99C Savage and the Winchester 88, just shooter preferrence. Because my model 100 has always been so undependable, it sits alone in the gun case year after year collecting dust! I have grown to like the lever action for my hunting rifle and probably would never enter the field with the semi-auto even if it worked flawlessly!  I just can't break up the Model 88 and 100 set I own in my gun safe!



Great srticle as always..

Steve


07/09/2008 00:00:19
As a recent addition to several outdoor companys' pro staffs, I can empathize with what you are saying. When your choiceis to buy a "Cheap gun" or not hunt, my choice would be to buy the cheap gun. That being said, I have always been of the opinion that you should always buy the best gear that you can afford for several reasons:
  1. In optics, price almost always equals quality. You may only get one fleeting chance at the animal of a lifetime over a lifetime of hunting. Is that missed opportunity worth saving 50 or 100 dollars? The good news is that competition has brought the prices of high quality optic way down. You get the same or better quality today for $3-400.00 that you did 15 years ago for $800-1000.00. A good rule of thumb is to buy a scope over $200.00
  2. When you are a serious hunter and outdoorsman, the quality of your gear can not only make a difference in comfort, but can sometimes mean the difference between life and death. Again, competition has been the key in making things more affordable. Remember when a pair of Gore-tex gloves cost $50.00? 
 3. Ebay can be a godsend for those on a budget. Lots of closeouts and slightly used items are available, but in true political correctness form, no guns there. Best bet- look for something used at your local gun shop or through gunbroker.com. 
4. Contact an outdoor pro and buy their leftover gear. I give a lot of stuff away every year, usually to a new hunter, that is perfectly useable. We get new gear as part of or contracts in exchange for work and trade shows. I sold 4 waterproof/breatheable parkas for $25.00 each at a garage sale last week.

We all make choices in what we do. A pack a day smoker spends almost $3000.00/year on their habit. 
 Starbuck's coffee is $4.00/cup. 
 Lunch out every day can cost you $40-50/week. 

Most factory rifles now are excellent shooters. The new Mossberg and Savage rifles are under $400.00 and shoot 1" groups. Ruger, Weatherby, Remington, and Winchester have fantastic rifles in the $400-$700.00 range.
 I just bought a rifle for my son, a Ruger M77 Hawkeye in .30-06 and put a Leupold VX-II scope on it. Total cost- $750.00. He's 15 and will never have to buy another rifle for the rest of his life and can shoot any big game animal in North America and most in the world. If he hunts for 50 years, the total annual cost is $15.00, plus ammo (which has become outrageous!). When you buy cheap, you also wind up replacing it more often, which costs you more in the long run. 
Remember, When there's lead in the air, there's hope!

Ace

 


07/08/2008 19:41:10


CCW_OUTFITTERS wrote:
I personally don't care about what a gun looks like, as long as it gets the job done! ;) Ă‚ The guns you wrote about sound great, I would love to get my hands on one and try them out... Great article! Ă‚ 

Gunbroker.com and Auctionarms.com...usually have a bunch, although starting prices are rising (like everything else). The Nagant are a best buy at $100 or less. I check there regularly.

I have a Nagant due any day. It already has a synthetic stock, has had the bolt bent for scope use and has a 3-9X40 scope on it for less than $150! Keep in touch!

Hollister



07/08/2008 19:37:38
I personally don't care about what a gun looks like, as long as it gets the job done! ;)  The guns you wrote about sound great, I would love to get my hands on one and try them out... Great article!  


07/08/2008 17:03:52


ndsportsman wrote:
Excellent post there. I have a friend that is a big fan of the .303 British, he used it for several years as his primary deer caliber with superb results. Most were very inexpensive and with a little TLC made a fine hunting rifle. I would probably favor more the 7x57mm, simply because it more closely matches the ballistics of my favorite all-purpose caliber the .280 Rem. Again some great info there, Thanks for sharing.

 

I appreciate your input!



07/08/2008 16:59:29
Excellent post there. I have a friend that is a big fan of the .303 British, he used it for several years as his primary deer caliber with superb results. Most were very inexpensive and with a little TLC made a fine hunting rifle. I would probably favor more the 7x57mm, simply because it more closely matches the ballistics of my favorite all-purpose caliber the .280 Rem. Again some great info there, Thanks for sharing.


07/08/2008 11:38:25


MarshyhopeHunter wrote:
Definitely agree with what your saying...... these rifles are accurate and fully functional.  Definitely won't win any beauty contest but its about hunting and the experience not how good it looks.   If consumers have the ability to spend a little more I would definitely recommend moving up to a used Savage you can find a good Savage 110 for $150-$300 and these are very well made and accurate rifles.    Save a little cash and add good scope rings and a scope and you have a hunting rifle that will last forever for probably under $500.     I know everybody has their favorites and thats the fun about sharing stories.  Great articles keep up the good work!!!!!!!

Appreciate the input. If you read part one of this blog, you will find we are in complete agreement.



07/08/2008 11:36:59

Two_Guys_Outdoors wrote:

Great post! Ă‚ I grew up hunting with an open sight 30-30 that is about 40 years old. Ă‚ Still one of my favorite guns to take out. Ă‚ Last year I spent "BIG" money on a rifle $389 plus $199 for a scope. Ă‚ It's a 30-06 from Savage (Model 111FL) with a Nikon Buckmaster Scope. Ă‚ I won't need a new rifle for a long time, but it cracks me up to see guys come out to the ranch to hunt sporting very expensive high end rifles to shot 80-100 yards.I really like these old rifles and have started to look for one. Ă‚ Keep up the great articles!

JaysonĂ‚ 

 

Thanks Jayson! I write for the 95% of sportsman who want to be able to enjoy hunting and fishing WITHOUT spending big money. For those who can comfortably afford high line toys...God Bless them and I hope I can be one of them someday



07/08/2008 11:34:12


hunteronthehill wrote:
I introduced a friend to hunting a few years back, He needed some thing to hunt deer with. We found a mauser 30 06 It had already been sportarized with the modern stock. He got his first deer with that gun, and still has it to this day. I think he paid around two hundred for it. Very good and very dependable rifle.

Thanks Boss!



07/08/2008 09:59:38

Great post!  I grew up hunting with an open sight 30-30 that is about 40 years old.  Still one of my favorite guns to take out.  Last year I spent "BIG" money on a rifle $389 plus $199 for a scope.  It's a 30-06 from Savage (Model 111FL) with a Nikon Buckmaster Scope.  I won't need a new rifle for a long time, but it cracks me up to see guys come out to the ranch to hunt sporting very expensive high end rifles to shot 80-100 yards.I really like these old rifles and have started to look for one.  Keep up the great articles!

Jayson 



07/08/2008 09:18:22
I introduced a friend to hunting a few years back, He needed some thing to hunt deer with. We found a mauser 30 06 It had already been sportarized with the modern stock. He got his first deer with that gun, and still has it to this day. I think he paid around two hundred for it. Very good and very dependable rifle.



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